Is there an end to the suffering?Please share your experiences.
Izen

Life is a MATRIX...you think youare living?? you think you are having fun or suffereing?? You are insane!!!

Who are you..a thing a being??? you think you actually have all the family members, they are related to you in someways??? you think you are in love and attached with your girlfriend?? you think that you will end your life the same cubicle of your office that you are working now??

YOu are kiddin aren't you? YOU are what you think you are, but if you stop thinking for a moment you aren't everything you thought nope...who are you??

What suffereing are you talking about??? Do you know what pain is?? Can you describe?? THat's just your mind playing again?? If you justt close your and even if someone hacks you in two pieces...there's no pain dude..it was just the fear that you were playing with?/

Do you think you actually feel hot or cold?? Thats again your head...i have walked naked in the snow -35 degrees..and I have been the warmest..ever..so you see...there's no such thing as you or even me, forget about suffering...don't get into that maze...it's the way of thinking...trust yourself and trust me for saying I know you have powers that none others have...this world and all the mortal things in it is what your head makes it belive ti for you.

You have the choice to relate to the outer world or seek powers withing your inner world.
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Lovely..... all the answer are within these questions.....Simply perfect hehe...

missed s....:D

I am feeling terrible back pain...:(...Is it just my imagination...:S
Kasari hataune yaar imagination..Upaya bataidimm na chandai..apart from being stoned hai..:P
Nirman~*

Imagine that you dont have any back hehee...

:D...
I wish I can...There are thousands or maybe millions wishes...I just wish...














I DON"T HAVE A BACK....RIGHT NOW....
:P

nirman touch the screen in fron of you.......i am touching it too..now close your eyes...


now feel that i am holding your hand..

my soft fingers and yours...i am takingyou on a journey....

imagine...we are in Virgin Islands...hot airr..anice breeze..

imagine now we walk along the sandy beach..the soft warm sand under our toes...

imagine we are still holding hands..

imagine now we are sipping a bacardi...

imagine there's a resort in the middle of atlantic

imagine we are there...

imagine two virgin ilsand girls are mesaaging our back

imagine the hot oil on our cute bums

and they are rubbing it and rubbing and gooiing in circles and rubbing it

imagine we start imagining another imagination within our imagimgination

image we 're into deep sleeep..

imagine the girls took away your back pain
imagine you're feeling good

you're feeling soooooooooooooooooo goood
oh

oh sooooo goood

soooo soooo gooood...

and you drift away..






imagine you open your eyes...


and then



and then


and then


OOOOOOPS

you're drowning in the ATlantic with sharks YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and i'm not holding your hand anywmore.....iu'm not even there...

POOOOR POOOR YOU NIRMAN...

Everyone,
Pain and suffering is not the back pain or walking on the snow(-35 degrees).They are temporary and their remedies are easily accessible.Hushh,your shortsightedness is unbelievable.I have not lost my sanity.How would you describe a suffering when parents lose their only child in a road accident when he is just five years old.How would you define a suffering of a two years old child who loses her parents in some natual disaster?How would you define a suffering of a twenty-somethings who discovers he has some terrible disease?To walk in -35 degrees is easy but to lose hope about what ahead of you is devastating.The psychological turmoil,the feeling of hopelessness,the feeling that you are born to suffer thats suffering.Do you have an answer?
I am waiting.

No matter how much we discuss about this topic, the bottom line is there is no end to the sufering. If ya born as a human, you start suffering (knowingly or unknowingly) the minute you are born!!

Desiring is the main cause, so less you desire less you suffer!!

~peace~

i ddin't wanna get into that detaill..but i belive me there's soemthing caledl after life and even with diseases and killings its still just an illusion ..we are not sure we are living or dead...yet we are not dead until we belive we are..we are not sick until we think we are..we are not poor until we think we are.. we are not rich until we think we are..

Its little too personal to get into details..but belive me i have been there..the worst form of suffereings ..and then one day i realised why shouild i suffer? why should i be the one to look into the mirror and cry?? will it matter if anybody finds out?? will it be better if someone takes revenge? will it change the past if i feel sorry?? is anybody going to be sorry if i am sad?? If i get hurt should wait to be helped??

The answer my friend is no. People die when they do. People get killed. People have disease. From the very start it is a lie to think that we will live forever. It is a greater lie to think that we shall never die. When it happens it happens.. The people after death will be happier if you remain happy. It's not that they have vanished...they are there around us with us always.. that should make you think again why should you suffer??

I have seen death several times, my best friends have died and i have commited hideous crimes, been in and out of trauma..But i don't think you can find a happier being in this world other than myself.

Do detacch yourself from the emotions from material life and from physical pain is what i ask you to do...there's a reason why things happen the way they do...its upto you to make yourself stronger or weaker. JUST let your heart glide through your journey of imagination....

''Desiring is the main cause, so less you desire less you suffer''
Kura thikai ho but philosophy doesn't work in real life.

Every new day brings more reasons to suffer and this phenomena doesn't seem to end before you die.

desire is not the point here iZEN is trying to express..

even if you desire its upto you do amke it happen...you will never be dissapointed if you belive in yourself and make this world belive inyou too..thats the story about desire


But suffering...there comes a point..like i did..how much can you suffer??? once you've crossed that point..you're numb to suffering....err even more..you don't belive in suffering..you belive its just a small hurdle before you could go miles...you have no idea...whats gonna be worse..and whats best....its how you think and feel...

Hushpuppy: You are simply the best :D ......very very well said....

Just felt like sharing a short poem of Shiva Gautam that talks about God's suffering. Perhaps gives a new perspective to think about the sufferings. . .

ईश्वरको पीडा

आफ्ना नानीहरुलाई
खान, लाउन अनि
खुसी दिन नसकेकोमा
दु:खी र विह्वल भएका
थुप्रै बाबुआमा देखेको छु ।

हामीले ठानेजस्तै
साँच्चै यो संसार-पालनकर्ता
कुनै एउटा ईश्वर छ भने
ऊ कति दु:खी होला
उसलाई कति पीडा होला ?
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I ddin't wanna get into that detaill..but i belive me there's soemthing caledl after life and even with diseases and killings its still just an illusion ..we are not sure we are living or dead...yet we are not dead until we belive we are..we are not sick until we think we are..we are not poor until we think we are.. we are not rich until we think we are..
<-----Hush Said:
How do you know there is an afterlife?And how do you know this is just an illusion?What more can be real.You,computer screen before you,your thoughts and me and my thoughts they are not an illusion hush.They are real.So I believe I am dead.Hey folks I am on a death bed.WOW hush....

but belive me i have been there..the worst form of suffereings ..and then one day i realised why shouild i suffer? why should i be the one to look into the mirror and cry?? will it matter if anybody finds out?? will it be better if someone takes revenge? will it change the past if i feel sorry?? is anybody going to be sorry if i am sad?? If i get hurt should wait to be helped??
<------Hush said:
Everyone that I have talked to it seems they were bestowed the sufferings more than anyone else in the world.How Ironic?How do you know you sailed in the worst ship imaginable on the ocean called life.Thats being self-centered.
I have seen death several times, my best friends have died and i have commited hideous crimes, been in and out of trauma..But i don't think you can find a happier being in this world other than myself. <-----Hush said:
Refer to my answer above on that one as well.

Do detacch yourself from the emotions from material life and from physical pain is what i ask you to do...there's a reason why things happen the way they do...its upto you to make yourself stronger or weaker. JUST let your heart glide through your journey of imagination.... <----that is simple Hush.

And LIFE isn't :)

Just felt like sharing a short poem of Shiva Gautam that talks about God's suffering. Perhaps gives a new perspective to think about the sufferings. . .

ईश्वरको पीडा

आफ्ना नानीहरुलाई
खान, लाउन अनि
खुसी दिन नसकेकोमा
दु:खी र विह्वल भएका
थुप्रै बाबुआमा देखेको छु ।

हामीले ठानेजस्तै
साँच्चै यो संसार-पालनकर्ता
कुनै एउटा ईश्वर छ भने
ऊ कति दु:खी होला
उसलाई कति पीडा होला ?
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How many times Nepe Sir?

इश्?वरका पीडा उनैले जानुन
माया दिनेले पीडा किन थप्?ने
अनि इश्?वर मैले किन जप्?ने

-जेन

It's DEATH that liberates us for eternity from all the sufferings of this humancentric world. In DEATH we get our final closure. Our Salvation. Our Nibbhana.

izen i died like 3 times laready and came back...i live with all my neighborhood ghosts....it sounds like bull doesn't it???..you're proly dead if yoiu thin k you are...a living being is someone like Mother Teresa whos presence is eternal...you or me on the other hand..after two days of sobs nobody will give a damn (oops i didn't wanna sound so harsh.that example is for me)...so we might as well count ourselves dead

when i told you that isuffered that didn't mean that i have suffred the most..hell no..but the way i live is by putting my heart in my fist and walk ahead...if someone comes by a nd stabss me...i am well prepared...and if i can't defend myself well...then i will let go and bleed..but death doesn't come too easily you still have the choice until the last moment to let go of your body...pain the more encruciating the more numb you become...

suffering for your own people, your loved ones...thats just relative

and IZEN just KISS....keep it simple stupid...thats how life will be if you make it so..

for more answers i'll have to fit my brain cells into yours and all my experiences too to make ya get it..but you'll get it when you will have to get it...so i stop right here.

Izen i died like 3 times laready and came back...i live with all my neighborhood ghosts....it sounds like bull doesn't it???..you're proly dead if yoiu thin k you are...a living being is someone like Mother Teresa whos presence is eternal...you or me on the other hand..after two days of sobs nobody will give a damn (oops i didn't wanna sound so harsh.that example is for me)...so we might as well count ourselves dead <---Hush said:
Your pre-occupation with death is misleading the core of what suffering is all about.Fine you can sail on the surface of the topic and seek some baseless excuses.Ah thanks Mother Teresa resides on eternity.FMI right??????????

when i told you that isuffered that didn't mean that i have suffred the most..hell no..but the way i live is by putting my heart in my fist and walk ahead...if someone comes by a nd stabss me...i am well prepared...and if i can't defend myself well...then i will let go and bleed..but death doesn't come too easily you still have the choice until the last moment to let go of your body...pain the more encruciating the more numb you become...

<-----Hush said:
Physical pain is all there that exists.WOW again....

and IZEN just KISS....keep it simple stupid...thats how life will be if you make it so<----Hush said:
KISS the suffering and be dismissive about it..

I will have to think about it WOW once more :)

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"Spell what?" asked Pooh.
"Tuesday. You know - Monday, Tuesday..."
"My dear Pooh," said Owl, "Everybody knows that its spelled with a Two."
"Is it?" asked Pooh.
"Of course," said Owl. "After all, it's the second day of the week."
"Oh, is that the way it works?" asked Pooh.
"All right, Owl," I said. "Then what comes after Twosday?"
"Thirdsday," said Owl.
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"Then what is it?" asked Owl.
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