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Posted on 06-17-05 9:09 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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I just visited The Nepal Digest ( www.thenepaldigest.org) site after a very long time, and found out -- much to my dismay -- that it has ceased publication as of last March.

The parting editorial implies that the editorial team quit over its supposed inability to implement free and fair editorial decisions, and hurls veild blame at other people (whoever they might be!)

My question: What happened, guys? Were the differences of opinion so great that
the publication had to, well, die out like this?

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Likewise, sometime late last January, The NATION newsweekly in Kathmandu died out after the editors and the publishers had a falling out after only a few months together.

My question: Again, were the differences of opinion so great that the patrika had to be killed?

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My observation: While working in Nepal as a business advisor, one thing I noticed
again and again was this. That most business partnerships (among Nepalis), started
with great hopes among friends, eventually soured to bitterness . . . so much so
that people who were earlier friends had become sworn enemies by the time the
ashes cooled off from the corpses of their business.

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My question: Are most of us Nepalis fundamentally incapable of working on a team that has people who hold different ideas from us?

Alternatively, when the going gets tough, is it easier for us to fight with one another than address the problems at hand so that at least minially amicable solution can be found?

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My comment: Isn't it ironic that while we do everything nice and polite with one another to avoid conflicts and confrontations, our lives in Nepal and Nepali societies might well
be mired in unaddressed and simmering conflicts . . . ranging from that of the Maoists
to businesses gone sour?

oohi
ashu
 
Posted on 06-19-05 8:45 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Dont want to write anything long, the below post speaks. What a shame and a surprise. After Madi Massacre maoist came out clean and now joining hand in hand with other self claimed pro democratic morons to go against feudal monarchy. Then what about those bodies who were scattered in pieces in a blow ?

This is our fate. People like Nepe and Newuser (intellectual civil society) dare not to write against killers and real looters but against Ashu and IF. Charge them with whatever words that come across their brilliant brain.

Nepe ji dherai surta garnu pardaina, aba Maoist ra 7 party milera lyaucha hajur le socheko justo ganatantra. Your Gantantra will definately flourish after trading off thousands of innocent life, dont worry.

Maoists positive over seven parties? call

A day after the seven opposition parties called upon the Maoists to support their ongoing pro-democracy movement, the CPN (Maoist) today said it had taken their call in a positive light....
For full story go to Nepalnews.com
 
Posted on 06-19-05 8:58 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Its not about Maoist or the King, its about the solution to the current conflict. The power has to be brought back to the people. We just can't depend on the King or India to solve our own problem. We can't even depend on the so called netas to solve the problem, we have to solve our problem with ourselves. To do that we need to chose the best amongst us, not the worse like MaKuNe, GiRiJa or the villanous KiNg and his cronies.
 
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"People like Nepe and Newuser (intellectual civil society) dare not to write against killers and real looters but against Ashu and IF. Charge them with whatever words that come across their brilliant brain.."

Even for a casual observer like me, what pisces wrote above seems no more than just a mere cheap shot.

Just because a group of bandits supports your cause doesn't mean your cause is less worthy of celebration. Virappan, for example, supported native's right in southern India, and Saddam-ese calls for self rule for Iraqis. They are legitimate demands for even those who dislike the bandits and killers like Virappan and Saddam.

You guys need to check your head and the facts. RNA itself has killed a lot of innocent civilians and have apologized for that in the past. To me, RNA and the Maoists are both grossly tainted. May be the Maoists a bit more because of recent incidences. For example, if the Maoists just recently killed the campus chief in Pokhara, RNA sometimes ago killed a master (sth Koirala) and his two other younger relatives in a remote village of Khotang and apologized later for that. RNA also threw bomb at Jogimara's workers working in remote Kalikot sometimes ago because apparently RNA thought they were the Maoists or with the Maoists. (In Madi, the Maoists knew there were a bunch of RNA people in the bus!) I don't see any stark difference in these two forces.

So keep your loyalty to king to yourself, and don't try to be morally more superior by supporting RNA and the king here. And if those who think what king (RNA) did didn't harm their family and so they are not going to talk against the king, their deafening silence against the backdrop of such proven atrocities of the king and his henchmen also makes them, at least, partially culpable. I mean, I guess, Hitler too didn't harm their family, nor did the Rwandan Hutus.
 
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To all,

However one defines democracy, it can only get better through a FREE and FRANK exchange of views -- no matter offensive/stupid/brilliant some of us find some other people's views.

This was and is my bedrock philosophy, and in the spirit of that philosophy, I welcome these further thoughts and criticisms of ideas expressed and commented on above.

So, thanks all for your postings.

I have printed them, and will try to post my responses after reading them. Meantime, for some days, real deadline-ridden work beckons, not to mention a column I have finish writing by tonight! Ke garne? Too bad that Sajha does not give any of us a salary :-)

So, keep the discussions flowing.
I'll join later.
By no means, the issues discussed here are dead.

As for these personal attacks against me, I am NOT ruffled by them.
Happens.
That's life.
One shrugs them off and moves on.

The key is to have enough exciting things going on in one's REAL life so that Sajha remains -- as it should -- a minor part of one's life..

Still, my attitude is: Since I am NOT the sort to get into real street fights, Sajha remains
the closest way I can gather some valuable rainbow of emotional experience to engage in some absolutely necessary bare-knuckled behaviour.

[In Nepal, it's good to be nice, polite and civilized, of course; but sometimes the only
way to get results out of certain SOBs is to stun them by giving them sharp elbows.
So, you see, the virtual experiences gleaned from Sajha can help one do better
work in other contexts in Nepal by keeping your reflexes sharp :-) ]

More later.

oohi
ashu



 
Posted on 06-20-05 3:24 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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KankaiRiver ji, unlike you I prefer to be serious reader but casual poster. To your comment my answer is as such - Would you have read this thread right from the beginning without missing single post you would have understand why I threw such cheap shot (according to you, its cheap). BTW if I have written something against Ashu posters, you would have appauled on me, haina ta?

Ashu started the thread but didn?t charge no body personally and so did IF. Though their views and ideas may not juncture with some of self-claimed pro-democrats doesn't necessarily mean they lose the right to debate. Why should one fall victim of these guys if one doesn't support his views and thoughts? Not just here, I have found everywhere Nepe and alike Nepe post. Isn't this same as Maoist ideology "Get along with us or get killed". Where did you find fair criticism. Atleast I know Democracy talks about right of speech but not with blind charges.

Do you know Kalanki Ji, They dont even hesitate to brand somebody with MANDALE KO SANTAAN if he/she is reluctant to align himself/herself along their line democratic theory. My point is I would have love to read from intellectual like Nepes (plural) if they throw same venom to those killers and looters rather than to Sajhaties. Hope you did understand now.

You guys need to check your head and the facts. RNA itself has killed a lot of innocent civilians and have apologized for that in the past.

How did you know my list of the killers exclude RNA ? How did you conclude I am paying a homage to King and RNA? You can't blame me I am being loyal to Gyane and RNA just because I opposed recent hideous act by Maoist in Madi? Yes I oppose it. I also oppose those looters who are again back in the street chanting for democracy after looting for 14 years. FYI I rather prefer to be called royalist or whatever than to support those morons again. You and other self-claimed democrats like Nepe and Newuser dare to come forward with good faith, make Nepal a republic state I will go hand in hand with you guys and I bet you will see similar contribution from my side. But I am sorry, I can't keep my pace with those rapists (who rape Nepal for 14 years and that will take another 140 years her to heal) leading yet another democratic movement. K garne I hate them more than anything. Aba yeso bhanda ma royalist bhaye bhane I am royalist. Are you happy now.

(In Madi, the Maoists knew there were a bunch of RNA people in the bus!)

It is shameful when people like you keep bringing an issue of 4 armies in civilian outfits traveling in that Bus to justify your point and prove your comments should be acceptable. What about 40 dead turned into ashes? Afai bhannuhos - Do I have to check my head or you have to.

Let me put something that may not be relevant in this context. Aba kura ma kura hai. Every now and then I have read people defending our Maha Netas and even their putra proving Gyane and Paras even worse. Yes we know Gyane and Paras are worse. We know that right from the beginning. But we didn't know these Netas would be at this level. We didn't know they are murderer behind sage mask. We didn?t know that they will jeopardize the future of 20 millions Nepali. Did you know that? At least I didn't. We had faith on them; we dreamt better future ahead right after we claim victory over Panchayat system. We accept them to be our leader, our guardian. Now what, where are we? At least we know about Business tycoon Gyane and his motive. He didn't cheat us like those morons did. He grabbed because our unethical Netas failed. Those selfish ease this king to sneeze our right. Now who is to blame? Gyane is putting us in gunpoint at least we can see it but these bugs stabbed us from the back. Most interesting is, we are still in illusion that we enjoy 14 years of democracy in Nepal. Hell NO.. WE DIDN"T. EXCEPT BUNCH OF PPL WHO IS WHIPPING THEIR ASSES WITH HARIYO GAIDA.
 
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Typo! read Kalanki Ji as KalankiRiver..
 
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Piscesji,
Please read the following on what I have written about the maoists on the same day the Madi massacre happened. If you don't close your eyes and focus on my pro-democratic stance only, you can find plenty of my comments against maoists' atrocities and politician's corruption. The problem is some of you have animosity against us because we have found Monarchy as the centrepiece of all problems in Nepal.

As for discussions with Ashu and IF, it was merely a debate between 2 people and we have done it without using filthy words. Ashu and IF themselves have exchanged opinions with me and there is no reason for you and sundries to spill your frustrations against us. If they have their resentment, let them discuss . They are strong enough to defend themselves as we are. On Madi massacre, have a read again:

- http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/openthread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=21887&show=all#141378
06-06-05

विषयमा प्रवेश गर्नुअघि माओवादी अतिवादीहरुले चितवनमा गराएको विभत्स नरसंहारको घोर निन्दा गर्छु। जसजसले त्यो नृशंस कूकृत्य गर्न लगाए र गराए तिनको आत्माले यो जीवनमा र पुनर्जन्म हुने भए जुनी जुनी सम्म शान्ति नपाओस। त्यस्ता पाषाण मुटु भएकाहरुलाई जीवनको के मूल्य ? नरभक्षी रक्तपिपाशुहरुको यो नीचता मानव जातिका निम्ति कलंक हो। वावुराम र प्रचण्डहरु तिमीहरुलाई धिक्कार छ।

हुनत यो घटनाका आयोजक, प्रायोजकहरुका बारेमा विभिन्न शंकाहरु उठिरहेका छन् तर मेरो मनोज्ञानले भन्छ यो माओवादीकै काम हो। बसमा सवार दुई जना सुरक्षाकर्मीलाई देखेर नै उनिहरुले धराप विष्फोटन गराए जसका कारण अरु ३६ जना निहत्था जनताले अनाहकमा, अकालमा मृत्युवरण गर्नुप-यो। अपराधी माओवादी नेतृत्वले जतिसुकै ढाकछोप गर्न खोजोस, यो काम तिनकै वेवकुफ कार्यकर्ताले गराएका हुन्। तिनलाई मार्ने र मर्ने उन्माद चढेको छ त्यसैले दुई जना शत्रुको ज्यान लिन ३६ जना निर्दोषहरुको जीवन चुँडाउने दुस्साहस गरे कायरहरुले।

कदाचित राजाकै सेनाबाट, भारतबाट या वहुदलवादी नेताबाटै यो काम हुन गएको भए त झन् यसभन्दा ठूलो भूल के नै हुन सक्छ र ? यो घटना एउटा डरलाग्दो संकेत हो भविष्यको। जोसुकैले गराएका किन नहुन यो घटनाले भोलीका दिनमा माओवादीलाई यस्ता मानवता विरोधी अपराधहरु दोहो-याउन बाटो खुलाएको छ। मेरो अनुमान जस्तै यो घटना उनिहरुबाट भएको हो भने यो शासक र जनता तर्साउने उनिहरुको सवभन्दा ठूलो हतियार हो। होइन, यो त शाही सेनाले गराएको रहेछ भने त झन माओवादीले खुलेआम यस्ता घटनाहरु दोहो-याइनै रहनेछन्। यसै आरोप, उसै आरोप। यस्तो गम्भीर गल्ति न त सेनाले न त भारतले नै गर्नसक्छ।


 
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जेभएपनि यसको दोषबाट न त राजा र सेना न त नेताहरु न त अन्तराष्ट्रिय समुदाय नै उम्किन सक्छन। किनकी यस्तो दुष्परिणामको वेलैमा पूर्वानुमान गरि राजनीतिक समाधानको ढोका खोलिनुपर्थ्यो। यो पछिल्लो घटनाका निम्ति चाहिं माओवादी पछि राजाकै बढि जिम्मेवारी छ। किनकी उनले पहिले नै नांगिएकाहरुलाई लुगा फाटो दिएर इज्जत जोगाइदिनु पर्ने ठाउँमा उनिहरुलाई नांगै लखेट्ने हठ गरे। नांगिसकेकाहरुलाई के को लाज ? ज्ञानेन्द्रको यस्तो उपायबाट नांगिएकाहरुलाई झन निर्लज्ज कुकर्महरु गर्न प्रोत्साहन मिलेको छ। अव अन्तिम उपाय एउटै वाँकि छ - नांगाहरुलाई फकाएर लुगा लगाउन अह्राउने ।मतलव सम्विधान सभाको निर्वाचन गर्न इमान्दारी पूर्वक तयार हुने।

प्रश्न उठ्छ उनिहरु सम्वधान सभा मानेपनि हतियार त्याग्न मान्ने छैनन। ए बाबा सवै उपाय त गरिसकियो अव नांगाले मलाई इज्जत जोगाउनुप-यो एकसरो लुगा देउ भनेर मागिरहेको छ, एक फेर दिएर त हेर। तै केहि भैहाल्छ की ? खुसुक्क लुकाएर दिनु भन्या हैन। फेरी मैले पाएकै होइन भन्न बेर मान्दैनन। त्यसैले अरुको रोहबरमा देउ, कोफी अन्नान बाजे, कुलचन्द्र गौतम बाजे र एरिक सोल्हेम बाजेलाई साक्षी राखेर सम्विधान सभाको माग पूरा गरिदेउ। राष्ट्रसंघ भनेको जे भएनी अरु भन्दा जाति संस्था हो तिनलाई नै गुहार गरेर झगडा मिलाइदिन भन्ने नी एकपल्टलाई। माओवादीहरु सम्विधान सभाको चुनावको मंजुरी नामामा सहि गरुन राजाले पनि राष्ट्रसंघका निर्वाचन परिवेक्षकले हेर्ने गरि चुनाव गराउन आफू तयार भएको कागतमा हस्ताक्षर गरुन। माओवादीले आफ्ना हतियार राष्ट्रसंघ मार्फत सरकारलाई वुझाउन, राजाले सम्विधान सभा मार्फत आएको सम्विधानलाई सदाका लागि मान्ने गरि अन्तिम पटक लालमोहर लगाउन। राष्ट्रसंघसंग बाचा गरेको सम्झौतामा जसले गद्दारी गर्ला उ सकल नेपाली जनताको शत्रु होला। लौ ज्ञानेन्द्र महाराज यो अन्तिम उपाय चाँडै गर यदि तिमलाई देशको माया छ भने। यति गर्दागर्दै माओवादीले फेरी गद्दारी गरेभने सारा संसार उनिहरु माथी खनिनेछ। क्यै लागेन भने त्यै सगरमाथा, कालापानी; गण्डकी, कोशी र कर्णालीको पानी सबै तिम्रै भयो, यि माओवादीलाई Afganistan बाट तालेवानलाई खेदेझैं खेदिदेउ भनेर अमेरिका, चीन र भारतलाई गुहार्ने एउटा अर्को उपाय पनि रहन्छ नै। ज्ञानेन्द्र महाराज मुढो नबन, जनताले आजको वर्वर आतंकका निम्ति तिमलाई जिम्मेवार ठह-याउँदै नारायणहिटीमा मट्टीतेल खन्याएर आगो बाल्नुपर्ने दिन नआओस।

 
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*Mind you, I had written the above piece before a clear cut picture of the murderous attack happened. There was still no confirmation of the death toll and Maoist apology came on the second day after I wrote this.
 
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* Typo-I had written the above piece before a clear cut picture of the murderous attack happened=I had written the above piece before a clear cut picture of the murderous attack emerged.
 
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Newuser said "नारायणहिटीमा मट्टीतेल खन्याएर आगो बाल्नुपर्ने दिन नआओस।" Didn't have the energy to read his monologue but noticed the last line.

कुरा भने ठुलो ठुलो गेडा छ भने नेपालमा गएर केहि गर् किन लंडनमा लुकेर बस्?छस्? For these anti king people (disguised as pro democracy), I find their stance cowardly. While they enjoy the democracy and luxuries of democratic countries, they are ready to sacrifice the lives of common general people of Nepal for their anti king (not pro democracy) sentiments.

You need to come out clean as ANTI-KING and not Pro Democracy.



 
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Saroj, You are needlessly trying to provoke me.I have done nothing to you and I have asked you time and again not to interrupt me. You are free to post what you want in sajha. मसंग झगडा गरेर तिमले मलाई मेरा विचार लेख्नबाट रोक्न सक्दैनौ। त्यसैले चुप लाग।
By the way, I have already vaccinated against Rabies. If you bite me also, it will cause no harm to me. Your gaali is having 0 impact on me. Right? Do what you like now.
 
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Newuser, if you've had to had rabies vaccination that means you've been living in a rabies infested area. No wonder you're like one of them. Learn to participate in a respectful discussion instead of hurling adjectives at people who think differently than you.

You are pathetic and you know it. You can't reasonably argue without losing your cool - which you don't have, so you have to resort to saying चुप लाग। I am not trying to stop you from thinking the way you do. I can take a donkey to the river but I can't force it to drink. But I do what I can, I'll take the donkey to the river.

But the donkey only does what it's best at doing and that is BRAY. Ok now go ahead and prove my point.

:)
 
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Condemnation alone is not enough. This is what I wrote for a discussion following Chitwan landmine horror.


From: Deepak Khadka
To: nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com ; . . . .
Cc: . . . .
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: Condemnation alone not enough

I am in solidarity with the initiative to do all sensible things we can do, from condemning this horrible act and helping the victim to starting a serious chintan-manan over broader questions we can relate it to.

One question that is in my mind for quite some time is this:

Human right is one of, if not the, most vibrant activism in Nepal. Yet, the Maoists and the security forces both are continuing, rather increasing, abusing the people Why ?

Obviously because they don't have a fear of punity.
And that is because of, let me find somebody to blame on, the dominant centrist political activism in and outside the country based on the notion of compromise. I think both the Maoists and the security forces are sure that they shall get a carpet amnesty as a part of the centrist settlement when the conflict ends and as long as the conflict continues, there will be no mechanism or priority to deal with their abuses. So why to worry, why be responsible !

Does this theory sound good to you, folks ?

Anyway, I think the only way to make the Maoists and the security forces to fear is to have a believable initiative to bring the perpetrators of the human right abuse to justice no matter what, when and how. Unless we do that we will be issuing the statements of bhartsarna and making haardik anurodhs only to see them gone unrespected.

One of the slogans I had suggested for DC rally was:

"Maoists and RNA, don't abuse people: The Hague is waiting for you"

I couldn't bring that slogan to the rally, because I was carrying a placard with a slogan broader than that. But now I think it's time to think seriously about that. That will be the best honor to the victims of this horrible act and many other more horrible and horrendous abuse, torture and killings.

My 2 cents.


 
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Here are excerpts from the replies to the email above.
*** *** ***
here is something i think we could do: ask locally based AI, human rights groups or agencies to open a Documentantation Project that preserves the evidence and testimony of crimes committed today so the perpetrators could be brought to the book in an appropriate time in the future. Think of how the Nazis were persecuted in the face of such evidence decades later. The documentation should include any and all parties that indulge in indiscriminate violence.

[skipped] I'm curious to know if the UN-led human rights agency in Nepal could be party to something like this. If not, we can mobilize our own home grown hr agencies toward this end. An online site (and toll free numbers?) could also be created to let people report such crimes anonymously.

This is something big but i think someone better start doing something before the jungle claims us all back to our tribal and bloodthristy origins.

*** *** ***
It is about time we stared record keeping for the future stakeholders so that the accounting is fair and accurate. That is at the very least we should do! The optimism lies some day Nepalis will fix the issues by themselves!

*** *** ***
I am confident that UN HR monitoring office recently opened under the leadership of Ian Martin has the mandate and the jurisdiction to probe in to the horrifying incident like the Chitwan landmine explosion and all kind of HR violaton, document, analyze and eventually bring the culprit to justice.
[skipped]
I am aware that they have already started investigating Chitwan incident. I am also aware that they have started documenting HR violation by maoists as well as RNA and that their office will entertain any claim or report of HR vilation by any one, and further investigate as warranted by the nature of reported violation. This office is created pursuant to the agreement between the current Nepali government and the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Right to provide technical assistance and to investigate HR violation. Ian Martin is in the process of opening 5 regional offices in all 5 regions of Nepal and for the purpose of documenting, investigating, reporting and evaluating HR violation and recommending appropriate methods of prosecution. KTM office is already open and they are in the process of opening other offices outside.
*** *** ***
The UN has a lot of resources, but it may also be
somewhat handicapped politically as to certain things
it can or cannot do. By contrast, a citizen's group or
a citizen-led HR group will have more freedom to
collect evidence and testimony and then archive it for
future legal use.

A couple of other ideas if an of this sounds
actionable to you:

---The project, let's say, collects life histories,
photos and circumstances of the so-called Maoist
victims' deaths since the start of the insurgency (or
as far as possible). Testimony from relatives and
friends is taken and archived for that purpose
(limited to civilian deaths only??)

---The project also collects the same information on
Government-led operations, where civilians are
involved or all doubtful cases

After careful research, these two bodies of research
can be published as dossiers so that action could be
taken. Incidentally, a historical memory is created
that is not going to disappear from public memory and
nation's history

The implications of such a project will be
far-reaching as you can see very easily. Besides such
work will honor the dead by asking the world not to
forget their plight.

More fanciful idea: the dossiers or books can be sold
to raise funds for ongoing human rights action
Incidently, forums like us too can raise some money to
get something like going

If any of you are in touch with any group that has the
desire and resources to take on something like this,
please free to pass on this curiosity to them

*** *** ***
Excellent inputs from [skipped].

Documentation, that's the key word.

There are two important cautions that must be taken.

1. Secrecy: The details should be kept confidential so that the
perpetrators do not destroy the evidences and witnesses.
2. Publicity: Extensive publicity of the campaign to make the message
reach to perpetrators as well as the victims.

Every HR groups should help the project. A central body that
co-ordinates the intelligence works and archives the evidences is
desirable.

It's time for a paradigm shift in Human Right activism in Nepal.

Deepak Khadka

*** *** ***
I strongly believe that there must be consequences (carrots and stick) for every action. In the absence of strong punitive measures, there will be no deterrent to abuse of human rights and all kinds of atrocities from all sides.

It's an excellent idea to gather evidence and save them for the future. In the mean time, other avenues need to be explored. A group including some attorneys can explore the possibility of filing cases in the US courts. It can get some of the abusers arrested and sent to jails in the US. Furthermore doors to the the US will be closed for abusers. It has been done in cases of central American dictators and army and police generals who ordered or tolerated human rights abuses or massacres. We need to translate words into actions otherwise we will be preceived as paper tigers and we will have no weight.

*** *** ***
ian martin is visiting new york this week. i just had a long meeting with
him this morning before i saw this chain of e-mails.

while i did not specifically raise the issue of documenting and archiving
the atrocities by the maoists as well as by rna for future history, possible
war crimes prosecution and/or a "truth and reconciliation commission"-type
of action, i am pretty sure that if there were such an initiatve the un
ohchr mission would collaborate.

there is now a similar project on cambodia at yale university. a number of
cambodian and american researchers work on it. i think it would be very
appropriate if the nepali diaspora, possibly with a u.s. university-base and
some nepal based organization would launch such an initiative.

i can imagine the un ohchr having 2 types of reservations in taking the lead
or fully associating itself with such an initiative. ian martin is very
conscious that nepal is highly polarized now, and most nepalis are seen to
be aligned with one or the other camp of political protagonists. so he is
keen not to be formally associated with any nepali groups to maintain un
ohchr's impartiality. besides, un ohchr's funding and mandate are currently
limited to 2 years, and he is reluctant to make any longer-term commitment
at this stage. these factors could pose some constraints in the short run.
but i would be happy to explore possibilities with him. he is a very
competent, caring and sensitive professional, so i am sure he would give us
good advice.


 
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होइन हो "अगुल्‍टोले हानेको कुकुर जहिले बिजुली चम्‍कदां पनि क्‍वाइ क्‍वाइ गर्छ" भन्‍या जस्‍तो त नगरम्‍न् ।

न सबै ज्ञानेन्‍द्र विरोधी राजा शब्‍दकै विरोधी हुने हुन. न सबै लोकतन्‍त्रलाइ सर्वोपरी ठान्‍नेहरू राजा विरोधीनै हुन्‍छन, न पार्टीका कार्यकर्त्ताहरूे मात्र हुन्छन । यद्यपी हालको सन्‍दर्भमा भने लोकतन्‍त्रको नामै सुन्‍न नचाहनेहरू भने ज्ञानेन्‍द्र र प्रचण्‍ड अनि तिन्का अन्‍धभक्तहरू मात्रनै हुन ।

त्‍यसै गरी न ज्ञानेन्‍द्ले हाल चलाएको र प्रचण्‍डवादीले चाहेको एकतन्‍त्रीय कुशासनका विरोधीहरू सबै विदेशमै छन भन्‍ने सोच्‍नु मनोगत कुन्‍ठामा निस्सासिएर जिउनेहरूमा रहने गरेको वैचारीक दरीद्रताका पराकाष्‍टाको नमुना बाहेक केही होइनन् । यस्तो दरीद्र तर्क गर्नु, बालकले बिछौनामा सुसु गरेर छण भरको न्‍यानो महशुस अनुभुती गरेको झै हो ।

For those who are interested to read where is my stance on the Madi massacre, please kindly go here:

http://sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=21954

 
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Finally, the so called pro democratic parties have shown their true self. The parties are joining hands with the Maoists to attempt to come back to power.

The maoists who have brutally killed over 14000 innocent civilians. The same maoists who the democratic government had termed terrorists. They are now collaborating with them in order to come back to power.

These parasites will do anything to sell our nation, make some money and take off with the loot.

 
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Saroj,

These so called pro democratic parties and Maoist are joining hands. And the demasculinized Pro-Royalists, shunned by their own arm suppliers, are masturbating in their own their past.

And the Result - You have become the one phallus damned to be erect with no chance to procreate, here in Sajha.

 
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Sorry for the typos. Please read as:

त्?यसै गरी न ज्ञानेन्?द्ले हाल चलाएको र प्रचण्?डवादीले चाहेको एकतन्?त्रीय कुशासनका विरोधीहरू सबै विदेशमै छन भन्?ने सोच्?नु सहि हुन्?छ । यस्?तो सोच्?नु त मनोगत कुन्?ठामा निस्सासिएर जिउनेहरूमा रहने गरेको वैचारीक दरीद्रताका पराकाष्?टाको नमुना बाहेक केही होइनन् ।
 
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Houston,
Just like the political parties who used to be staunch against the maoists are now opening up their rectal cavities to the maoists. Any phallus up your anal cavity is not going to be procreative, and you are feeling it I suppose, otherwise there was no need to get nasty.

Emodus,
When you use words that are too bombastic for your own comprehension, you are bound to make typos. But you get a C for your effort. Keep it up.
 



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