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 57 yr old Indian father becomes a victim of police brutality in Alabama

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Posted on 02-11-15 7:19 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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As seen in many recent cases where people of color have been victims of excessive use of force by police, this is not about race but the inclination of police to use excessive force.


U.S.
COURTESY OF HENRY F. SHERROD

Lawyer: Indian citizen out for a walk left paralyzed by Alabama police

Sureshbhai Patel was allegedly slammed to the ground by police after they responded to a 'suspicious person' call

Police in a northern Alabama city severely injured a 57-year-old Indian citizen after slamming him to the ground, leaving him temporarily paralyzed, according to the man’s lawyer.

“He was just out for a walk, and apparently someone made a suspicious person call … This is a grandfather who came to help his son and daughter-in-law with their 17-month-old son who was premature and developmentally delayed,” Henry F. Sherrod, a civil rights attorney from Florence, Alabama, told Al Jazeera on Tuesday.

Sureshbhai Patel, a permanent resident of the U.S., arrived in the U.S. only one week before the incident occurred. His son Chirag Patel, an engineer, flew him from the small Indian town of Pij to live with them in Huntsville, a suburban town next to Madison, according to Sherrod, who described the neighborhood as affluent.

While he was out for a walk in his new neighborhood on Friday morning, Patel was stopped by two Madison police officers who said they were responding to a suspicious person call.

When the officers began to question him, Patel said “no English” and “India” as he tried to point to his son’s house and repeated the house number. Sherrod said Patel was walking on the sidewalk and not acting suspiciously.

Unable to communicate with Patel, the officers began patting him down before they claimed the man put his hands in his pockets and “slammed him to the ground,” Sherrod said.

The attack left Patel bleeding from the face, paralyzed and in need of surgery to fuse two vertebrae, local news website AL.com reported. He remains hospitalized.

“I think it was because he looked brown,” Sherrod said, adding that the two police officers involved were white. Only one of the two policemen was responsible for the injuries, he added.

Madison police on Monday issued a statement saying that the officer responsible for Patel’s injuries had been suspended and that they were investigating his use of force, according to AL.com.

The family has decided file suit for damages including Patel’s medical bills  — which will likely be in excess of $100,000 dollars even if he makes a full recovery, according to Sherrod, who met with the family on Tuesday.

Sherrod, who visited Patel at the hospital Tuesday, said Patel had regained movement of his arms, but was not yet able to grip with his hands. Patel also regained limited use of his left leg, but his right remained paralyzed, Sherrod said.

In addition to damages, the family is suing to obtain audio and video evidence taken by the police officers during the incident. It had not been released to the public because the Madison police department said the recordings were evidence in the ongoing investigation.

Sherrod criticized the incident as evidence that use of force by police is an issue that extends beyond people who are poor or African-American. “It can happen to anyone,” he said. “It just takes a little bit of a miscommunication and the officer thinks violence is the solution,” Sherrod said.


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Posted on 02-11-15 8:45 AM     [Snapshot: 123]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Very unfortunate

This should be in the list of things new Nepali should know while coming to US.
When a cop asks you a question, cooperate. If you can't speak english remain calm and tell them no english. Never, ever, reach out to pocket or make a sudden move.
The poor old man probably was reaching to his pocket to show the officer something (wallet, phone number, written down address etc).

I know cops' action wasn't fully justified; but they are trained this way to be forever suspectful of the other's intention and act accordingly. Reaching out to pocket is a complete NO NO.
 
Posted on 02-11-15 9:11 AM     [Snapshot: 160]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Totally agree this should be in that list for new comers. I am not making any judgements or claims about this individual case; but feel that this should be an eye opener for many of us in this forum because our diaspora is growing and many of us either already or soon enough will host our ailing (or fit) parents here in US and obviously they'll go for a walk. Also communicate about a Guy jumping from the bush with a dagger and saying "Gimme all u have". These both uneventful scenarios should be discussed and thought about.
Once again 'no comments' about this particular case.
 
Posted on 02-11-15 9:57 AM     [Snapshot: 377]     Reply [Subscribe]
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कस्ता कस्ता मुजिहरु हुन्छन,
तेसका बाउलाई परेको भए अनि थाहा पौथ्यो, खल्तीमा हात हाल्न हुने या नहुने कुरा.
बडो घण्टा जस्तो कुरा गर्दो रैछ,
wasn't fully justified re..
 
Posted on 02-11-15 10:46 AM     [Snapshot: 514]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Well said sojoketo!

These fools do not understand that laws NEED TO & MUST change with time, especially when it is hurting people instead of protecting them.

This is an outrage and needs to be protested without any if ands or buts. We don't need to go all "Ferguson" on this case but the Police department should be held accountable.




 
Posted on 02-11-15 11:03 AM     [Snapshot: 590]     Reply [Subscribe]
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"cooperate with police"
"reach into pocket"

There are moot points when we are talking about someone who does not speak English. How do they communicate with police? How would they show some form of ID or perhaps get a phone number without reaching into their pockets?




 
Posted on 02-11-15 11:36 AM     [Snapshot: 705]     Reply [Subscribe]
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टाउको प्रयोग गर ओइ केटा. त्यो टोपी राख्नलाइ मात्र हैन, येसो अलिकति भाको बुद्धि पनि प्रयोग गर्न हो.
फेरी जे कुरा गरेपनि बाउ आमालाइ सम्झिन्छन. सार्है मिस भोकी क्याहो?

You can chose to find flaws in everything, or chose to learn from the event. You can keep protesting the cops, call them names - why don't you actually start a rally- call for America bandh - that's pretty much all you seem know on how to get anything done. It seems Mindurbusiness can change the law - he might help you out with the rally.

Let's do this, I will tell my near ones not to put their hand inside their pocket when a cop approaches them; meanwhile you just keep blaming the incident on the cops and have your keens approach them with hands in their pocket/ making sudden moves and see what happens.

If you want to discuss it sanely, why don't you tell me what kind of law would prevent this? C'mon take a shot, what would you have the cops do differently? I hated the fact that the cop used a violent mean; there probably was a better way and who knows, some level of discrimination was involved; but can a law really stop this? I doubt it. Hence, all I can say right now is for us to be careful; I will protect my near ones while you stay angry with the cops.

 
Posted on 02-11-15 11:40 AM     [Snapshot: 705]     Reply [Subscribe]
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iLLumination
I don't think you got my point. The point is not to reach out to your pocket unless the cop explicitly told you to do so.
How did you know the cop asked him for his ID or phone number? I don't think they did, the old man just assumed. So, in future, tell any new comers to US not to assume anything and stay there calm without making sudden moves/ approaching the pocket.

It's a suggestion, take it or leave it.
 
Posted on 02-11-15 11:59 AM     [Snapshot: 759]     Reply [Subscribe]
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"unless the cop explicitly told you to do so"

How would he know what the cop is saying when he does not understand English? You are forgetting the most important point here that he did not speak English.

He was probably trying to get his phone out or some sort of paper with phone number out to show cops so they could call his relatives.
 
Posted on 02-11-15 12:28 PM     [Snapshot: 820]     Reply [Subscribe]
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it's Cops fault and they should be held accountable. But how do the Cops know he is not reaching for a gun or knives or whatever especially when they were responding to a 911 call about a suspicious person???? There is not a two way communication due to language barrier, nobody is understanding nothing. So Cops tried to diffuse the situation by slamming him to the ground which turned to be bad in this case. But compare it to several cases where others got a few seconds to reach out a gun in their pocket and shoot/kill cops in no time.

In this case Cops are at fault and need to be held accountable, but does that ensure some other person might not get slammmed the same way or even get shot?? Cops are in constant fear when responding to a 911 call and the outcome depends on the situation. The only way is awareness about how we should react when Cops are asking for sth or doing Patsearch which is do not make any sudden movement.
 
Posted on 02-11-15 12:42 PM     [Snapshot: 870]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Sojoketo bro,
Aafno bau aru kasailai yesto naparos bhaneranai police le search garda khalti tira haat nalaijanu bhannu parchha.

Look at the video in the link below where a Alabama Cop got killed because he allowed a person to keep his hand in the pocket and did not slam that person in time.

http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=762_1421348181

 "तेसका बाउलाई परेको भए अनि थाहा पौथ्यो, खल्तीमा हात हाल्न हुने या नहुने कुरा " भन्नेले येदि त्यो भिडियो को मर्ने पुलिस चाँही तिम्रो बाउ परेको भये के भन्छौ त अब ?? खल्तिमा हात हाल्न दिने कि नदिने ? 

So many Cops have been killled that way even in a normal traffic stop check. There is now way we can talk about our rights to do anything we want when Cops are asking questions.

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Posted on 02-11-15 1:54 PM     [Snapshot: 1018]     Reply [Subscribe]
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ny2,
one who couldn't communicate in English, who apparently is a old weak man shouldn't be a victim on such basis. A cop is responsible for protecting a civilian, most of the cop do.
But In this case, they failed and as a consequence a old innocent man came to visit his child, has to suffer the brutality.
Well, it is apparent fault of those cops that's why they are suspended.
what i really find pathetic is the criticism from some morons from sajha. '
who is just trying to show off their dark side of diplomacy.
So I have to say NO NO to such jerk and I did.

BTW, in that video, the hands of the culprit was already inside the pocket
and he kinda looks like भंद्र भलादमी नेता ओफ साझा who prefers to follow his freaking diplomacy on every agenda..either that is regarding in favor of rapist or in favor of such arrogant cops

 
Posted on 02-11-15 2:01 PM     [Snapshot: 1140]     Reply [Subscribe]
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ny2, you are making too much sense. This particular idiot might not understand or digest that much of sensible response. के गर्नु, तेरो बालाई पठान पुलिस अगाडी खल्तीमा हात हालेर भन्न त हुन्थ्यो, तर उसको level मा खस्ने कुरा आएन.


 
Posted on 02-11-15 2:05 PM     [Snapshot: 1140]     Reply [Subscribe]
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iLLuminati,
You keep going to the same point, when I have already said you are missing the main point. Whether he understands english or not, just don't take your hands to your pocket. The cop will never shoot at you for not taking your hands to your pocket.
"He was probably trying to get his phone out or some sort of paper with phone number out to show cops so they could call his relatives." THat's what I said and probably he was. But how would a cop know? They are trained to act swiftly and he acted on instinct. Did he do the right thing? Of course not!! An innocent man suffered gravely. But you just can't come up with a law to not fire on instinct when somebody is reaching to his/her pocket. Some might use their discretion not to fire on an old man, but not all will do that. IF there is a logical solution to this, I'd be happy to hear it. Until then, just don't move your hands to your pocket. Simple.
 
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बाउ आमा को कुरा आउछ, BCOZ THEY ARE PRECIOUS at least for sojoketo.
but seems like बाउ आमा are no more precious for you. In that case, I couldn't help you.
I ain't pointing to all cops, I am specific to this case only and that's because, most of the cops are sane enough to identify a poor old non-English speaking man as a non-threat and no way they have to take any kind of brutal action against that innocent old man.

"i was returning home after a midnight show (FAST 6) along with my friend. Wasn't aware high beam was on. Suddenly noticed a flashing red light behind my car. I was pulled over. Damn, an
ugly scar look cop came out of his car and asked me if I am drunk. I smiled and nodded in opposite way, NOP! He asked for license and registration.
I simply reached to clove box of my car (not to take out my gun) but to get the registration. I noticed cop put his hand on top of his gun. I smiled and gave my license and registration to hi. He checked my registration, license and asked me politely. "Sir do you know why i stopped you." I was like, hmm!! may be i am speeding (influenced by FAST 6).
he said, your high beam is on and he helped me to turn it off.

A sane cop who doesn't misuse his power would like to behave that way no matter a scary giant look sojoketo tried to reach out to the clove box of his car.

I would have been shot to death if it was a case with the insane cop who prefer misusing his power like in this case.
So, it doesn't matter whether you put your hands in the pocket or dck, an insane cop like kid...... seeks reason to use his power/diplomacy.
The only difference is, the old indian guy has been traumatized in Alabama
and we are being tortured in Sajha.
 
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seems like.
it is
हंड्स अप , डन्ट शूट
हंड्स गोजीमा देन शूट

it's beyond the capability of filthy morons to reach the level of sojoketo as unlike the filthy diplomat from sajha, sojoketo ain't support the rapist and don't criticize the victim to follow the dark side of diplomacy.

btw,
there is nothing bad to refer father as बाउ
and your father as तेरो बाउ
येस्मा लेवेल कसरि ups and downs huncha,
साझा कै filthy diplomats हरु नै जानुन.
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Posted on 02-11-15 2:54 PM     [Snapshot: 1413]     Reply [Subscribe]
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You made a nice point here that "a sane cop who.....no matter a scary giant sojoketo tried to reach out to the clove box of his car". But he asked for ur license and registration and u reached over to clove box and the expection was you would hand over those papers, even with those expectations, the cop had his hand on top of his gun just in case.

Now, if the cop had pulled u over aster a 911 call and with some suspicion, if the cop had asked you to show ur hands and keep ur hands up but u, not a scary sojoketo but a really sojo sojoketo, did not understand english, so tried to reach over to clove box to show ur registration. Imagine wat the same cop would have done....

There r bad cops n there r good cops. The same way we cannot get rid of thugs out of the street, we cannot get rid of all bad cops or bad judgement of some cops. So wat's the solution then?? Lets say our parents are here n they do not understand english. How do we prevent such outcome if they ever encounter the police??? On Cops side, they definitely need more training or awareness about how to handle those situations but our action is the best way to prevent these situations. Our parents should be made aware that in any police encounter, do not make sudden movement especially when the cops are patting you.
 
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I am still waiting for an answer to my question, "What law would you enact to prevent this?" If you don't have the answer then hush with the criticism.

Now if this old man was my friend, I'd sue the police department - no doubt. The cop should've applied reasonable judgement to know that his life was not in danger - the jury might even grant it. But you just can't codify in the law as the "reasonable" part is too vague. You can't have a law to stop a cop from using excessive force when he perceives his life is in danger - even if it involves a disabled person or an old man.

Unless you answer the question I posed above, I don't see you making any point other than being angry at the situation.
 
Posted on 02-11-15 3:28 PM     [Snapshot: 1546]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Kiddo you keep saying he should not have reached into his pocket but imagine the situation if it was you. Let's say you could not speak english and could not communicate with the police. What would you have done?
 
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Not reach into my pocket.
How would I know that? My son would've told me that. That's my point, please tell your loved ones - specially if they don't speak or understand english- not to make sudden moves or reach out to the pocket. We can argue about the law and enforcement part of it, but it never hurts to be prudent from our side and save our dear ones.
 



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